# Help: Service Doesn't Believe me: Trunk Lock Problem



## Small5 (Jan 19, 2007)

I had this intermittent problem where I would pop the trunk using the door button or the remote and it would immediately lock (hinge sound open, hinge sound closed; no time in between).
So when I had my 10K service the other week I mentioned the problem to them. When I picked up my car they told me that they couldn't replicate the problem (common murphy's law), but that they loosened the hinges a bit to see if that didn't solve it.
Well it didn't solve it, it made it worse. Now when ever I pop the trunk it immediately re-locks. Whether it's by the door button or the remote, there's never a time when it doesn't do it.
So today, when I brought the car back in for a second appointment, the service support guy came out and looked at the trunk and I knew I was in trouble when he said, "Where's the lock for the trunk?" (meaning where can i put my key in the door to lock the drunk at all times). I told him that EOS don't have such a thing.
A note: my dealership is VW and Honda so it could be that this guy usually only deals with Honda or has never dealt with an EOS before.
I explained to him the problem and he said that it seems to him that the door or the remote are only meant to unlock the trunk and that I have to use the manual handle no matter what. And I said that since the trunk is unlocked if the car is unlocked, then the door button or remote are meant to open the trunk not to unlock it.
He took it in anyways, grumbling that he only had 2 techs on staff today and that he'd _try_ to give me a call today. 
So I ask you, my fellow EOS owners, when you use the door button or remote to pop the trunk does it pop and stay popped unless you lock the car, push the trunk back down or leave it for the locking time out?
OR 
when you use the door button or remote to pop the trunk does it pop and then immediately re-lock?

hmm. i should have made this a poll. Oh well, thanks in advance.


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## pepino1977 (Jan 5, 2004)

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Several times my trunk will relock immediately when using the key fob. If I unlock it from the inside it will still do it, but not as often. I think it depends on the wind sometimes or if you have anything in the trunk.
Never really bothered me I guess. Doesn't happen too often. Let us know if there is any future fix for you. 
Problem now is you have me semi paranoid now!


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## jgermuga (Jan 11, 2007)

*Re: Help: Service Doesn't Believe me: Trunk Lock Problem (Small5)*

Small5,
You are not alone. I have had this happen as well and I have seen it mentioned a couple times by others. I can reliably recreate this only when I have the key in the ignition and have not removed it since the last time the car was on. In this case, using the door trunk release, I can hear it open, but it closes itself again in less than 1 second, far to quickly to actually make it to the trunk to open it. If I pull the key out of the ignition and use the key fob, it works fine because it remains in the unlocked state. Seems when the car is running some type of auto lock event trigers and the VW flip doo dad will not allow the trunk to release.
I know there is at least one thread dedicated to it, too. I was able to dig this up with a search on archived post content for trunk lock, 
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3242641
This talks about the "auto" lock but it doesn't look like the one I was thinking of, since there were more specifics on the turnk relase-relock before it can be opened such as I described above. You may want to try some other searches.
From what I recall, an adjustment fixes the issue in most cases but (again from recollection) it is not %100.
Incidently, I would look for another dealership if possible. Your does not sound like a good one and I would be concerned about their lack of knowledge on the car.


_Modified by jgermuga at 10:34 AM 12-18-2007_


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## Small5 (Jan 19, 2007)

jgermuga, thanks for the info.
fortunately or unfortunately the dealership i go to IS the best one around. unless I want to travel 30-45mins to go t a dealership (this one is 5-10 mins away).
Hopefully I get some good news this afternoon that a simple adjustment solved the problem.


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## just4fun (Oct 29, 2006)

*Re: (Small5)*

I have never had the trunk pull closed and re-lock after popping it with the remote or inside release.
Other members have reported having this problem successfully resolved with a minor adjustment.
Hopefully your dealership has at least one tech knowledgeable enough with VW's to fix it. Or at least ambitious enough to call VW dealer support and find out what the procedure is.
Kevin


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## petevv (Aug 13, 2005)

*Re: (just4fun)*

My Eos has just started doing this also. Not every time, of course. I can't find any pattern, though it might happen more often when it's cold out. 
Every time has been the same - walk up to the car, press the middle button on the remote, let the motor do its cycle. Then before I can grab the handle, the motor immediately latches again and the horn beeps. 
It doesn't happen every time I open the trunk, but when it does it will repeat... taking me 2 or 3 tries to get the trunk open.
Possibly related? Sometimes when it's cold out, the trunk struts seem stiff. I pull it down with the inside handle like usual, but it stops about 6" away from closed, and takes a pretty good shove to get it the rest of the way down. Has anyone else noticed this?
Maybe if it's binding or too stiff, it doesn't fully release? Then it just relatches, thinking you're trying to close it?
I may mention it to the dealer at my next service if it gets worse, though I'm not optimistic about them taking the time to trace an intermittent problem or perform an adjustment. I know them - they will tell me they couldn't duplicate the problem and be done with it.
Pete


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## just4fun (Oct 29, 2006)

*Re: (petevv)*


_Quote, originally posted by *petevv* »_
I may mention it to the dealer at my next service if it gets worse, though I'm not optimistic about them taking the time to trace an intermittent problem or perform an adjustment. I know them - they will tell me they couldn't duplicate the problem and be done with it.
Pete

That is a problem with dealerships, they can't fix what they can't find, and it never fails that your car works fine while they have it.
It is possible the change in temp is responsible for the trunk starting to act up. As you sugessted things may be stiffening up and the lid is just not opening enough to clear the latch mechanism.
Also, the cold weather may have changed tolerances a bit, and a minor adjustment is needed.
Makes you wonder if this problem will become less frequent as the cars get older and "loosen" up a bit.
Kevin


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## jgermuga (Jan 11, 2007)

*Re: (petevv)*


_Quote, originally posted by *petevv* »_
Possibly related? Sometimes when it's cold out, the trunk struts seem stiff. I pull it down with the inside handle like usual, but it stops about 6" away from closed, and takes a pretty good shove to get it the rest of the way down. Has anyone else noticed this?


I remember having more than 1 hatchback which used the gas filled struts for the rear hatch not working in really cold weather. In fact, one hatchback almost broke my neck








Basically the struts would work fine during the summer and if you opened the hatch and got it moving past halfway open, the stuts would push it the rest of the way to fully open. When it got really cold out, not only did you have to push the hatch all the way to fully opened, but it would sometimes hold, sometimes not. It was like it was in this precarious condition whith just the right amount of potential energy that once it got any momentum toward closing... slam! 
So I was loading some stuff into it and it must have been windy and as I was retreating from loading my cargo, half in and half out of the hatch, whomp... right on my shoulder just below the collarbone. I bet it could have done some serious damage if I had been a few more inches out of the hatch. I eventually had to start using a dowel as a prop rod.
at any rate, I could see where the cold would defnitiely play into the problem being intermittent, so maybe when the structs are cold, they lose just enoght spring so that the locking mechaninsm reengages. If you can reproduce it in cold wetaher yourself, then all you have to do is hope for what every convertable owner wishes not to have... a nice cold day







so you can demonstrate the problem to your dealer.


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## itsmejerry (Jan 31, 2003)

*Re: (jgermuga)*

I've had this occur on mine also. 
It happens when the car is locked, and I've opened just the driver's door with the inside handle. It doesnt matter if I unlock it with the key fob or the trunk switch-- the trunk still locks. 
The only way I can solve it is to unlock the doors, either with the key or switch inside the car, and then unlock the trunk. -- again, both the key and trunk switch work.


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## Small5 (Jan 19, 2007)

Intermediate update:
They took the car indoors thinking it was the weather (the cold) and it worked as it should. So then they went to an EOS sitting on the lot (in the cold) and they tried it there and it worked as it should (trunk stays open).
They compared the 2 trunks and they found that there are a set of springs on the trunk that, when the trunk is popped, they keep it elevated just outside the latches "sensor" range. 
it seems that my springs were a bit loose so they might not be supporting the trunk high enough.
they're ordering new springs and will call me when i need to come back in to have them installed. Hopefully that will fix the problem.
i hope i kinda explained that well. hehheh


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## just-jean (Sep 14, 2006)

*Re: (Small5)*


_Quote, originally posted by *Small5* »_Intermediate update:
They compared the 2 trunks and they found that there are a set of springs on the trunk that, when the trunk is popped, they keep it elevated just outside the latches "sensor" range. 
it seems that my springs were a bit loose so they might not be supporting the trunk high enough.
they're ordering new springs and will call me when i need to come back in to have them installed. Hopefully that will fix the problem.
i hope i kinda explained that well. hehheh

yes that explained it very well.....i have only had the trunk relock once .....and it may just have been me not getting there fast enough while getting out of the car with full hands.....
i'm back to cold weather flap won't always flip season


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## petevv (Aug 13, 2005)

*Re: (Small5)*


_Quote, originally posted by *Small5* »_They compared the 2 trunks and they found that there are a set of springs on the trunk that, when the trunk is popped, they keep it elevated just outside the latches "sensor" range. 
it seems that my springs were a bit loose so they might not be supporting the trunk high enough.

Thanks for the information. It's good to have an idea where to start looking. I hope the springs will solve the problem for you!


_Quote, originally posted by *jgermuga* »_all you have to do is hope for what every convertable owner wishes not to have... a nice cold day so you can demonstrate the problem to your dealer.

That's funny! But I'm not going to wish too hard for lousy weather.










_Quote, originally posted by *just4fun* »_That is a problem with dealerships, they can't fix what they can't find, and it never fails that your car works fine while they have it.

Agreed - They can't be expected to fix a problem if they can't duplicate it. I hope the dealer will make a reasonable effort to duplicate the condition, investigate the cause, know the idiosyncracies of the different models, be willing to make a few adjustments. I know there's always pressure on the techs, though, so they can't spend a lot of time tracking down a problem if it doesn't present itself immediately. 
Pete


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## liquid stereo (Feb 26, 2003)

*Re: Help: Service Doesn't Believe me: Trunk Lock Problem (Small5)*

If you do a search you will find a history of this problem/incidence. My dealer fixed it 2 weeks after I took possession of the Eos. That was back in April. It started doing it again last week.
I'm reporting it again and will have it fixed in January 08.
Cheers http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif 


_Quote, originally posted by *Small5* »_I had this intermittent problem where I would pop the trunk using the door button or the remote and it would immediately lock (hinge sound open, hinge sound closed; no time in between).
So when I had my 10K service the other week I mentioned the problem to them. When I picked up my car they told me that they couldn't replicate the problem (common murphy's law), but that they loosened the hinges a bit to see if that didn't solve it.
Well it didn't solve it, it made it worse. Now when ever I pop the trunk it immediately re-locks. Whether it's by the door button or the remote, there's never a time when it doesn't do it.
So today, when I brought the car back in for a second appointment, the service support guy came out and looked at the trunk and I knew I was in trouble when he said, "Where's the lock for the trunk?" (meaning where can i put my key in the door to lock the drunk at all times). I told him that EOS don't have such a thing.
A note: my dealership is VW and Honda so it could be that this guy usually only deals with Honda or has never dealt with an EOS before.
I explained to him the problem and he said that it seems to him that the door or the remote are only meant to unlock the trunk and that I have to use the manual handle no matter what. And I said that since the trunk is unlocked if the car is unlocked, then the door button or remote are meant to open the trunk not to unlock it.
He took it in anyways, grumbling that he only had 2 techs on staff today and that he'd _try_ to give me a call today. 
So I ask you, my fellow EOS owners, when you use the door button or remote to pop the trunk does it pop and stay popped unless you lock the car, push the trunk back down or leave it for the locking time out?
OR 
when you use the door button or remote to pop the trunk does it pop and then immediately re-lock?

hmm. i should have made this a poll. Oh well, thanks in advance.


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## aimeelover (Dec 7, 2005)

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## Small5 (Jan 19, 2007)

quick update:
had an appointment this morning to get the new springs installed. got there early so that their shuttle service could bring me into town to work.
other than the fact that they said the shuttle guy was 5 mins away and it turned into 50 (mean while I called a family member to come pick me up), when they called me later on in the day to tell me that my car was done, they told me that they had ordered the wrong springs. they weren't even for an EOS.
so now I have to make another appointment when the (hopefully) correct ones come in. joy.


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## ashbinder (Nov 27, 2006)

*Re: (Small5)*

That's weird...when I had this problem, the dealer fixed it right away, tell me that there are adjustment points in the trunk that adjust how high the truck is allowed to pop out. 
I find it hard to believe that the springs are fault if it used to work fine. Mine was purely the cold - the struts pushed up ever so slighly lower than usual due to the temperature and it wouldn't be enough to clear the relatching system.


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## Small5 (Jan 19, 2007)

*Re: (ashbinder)*


_Quote, originally posted by *ashbinder* »_That's weird...when I had this problem, the dealer fixed it right away, tell me that there are adjustment points in the trunk that adjust how high the truck is allowed to pop out. 
I find it hard to believe that the springs are fault if it used to work fine. Mine was purely the cold - the struts pushed up ever so slighly lower than usual due to the temperature and it wouldn't be enough to clear the relatching system.

i dunno. i would think something similar. but aslong as they do it, its under warranty. so im going to let them do it.......for now.


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## christin074 (Jan 3, 2008)

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i also had this problem and the dealer was actually able to fix it that day. Which is AMAZING. It had something to do with the lock sensor in the trunk ask them to look into that. they just told me it needed to be adjusted.


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## christin074 (Jan 3, 2008)

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Can you tell me where I can do a search for problems and incidence in the past. I have had soooo many things go wrong with my EOS I am begining to think I have a lemon. my email address is [email protected] Thank you so much for your time and response.


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## chocoholic_too (Jan 2, 2007)

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That all sounds like the same problem addressed in the table of contents...
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2883823


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## Eismeer Blue (May 29, 2007)

Took my car in for its 16,000 KM service and I pointed out the problem I was having opening the trunk. They said it was operating to spec. This is after they had it in the shop for 2-3 hours. (Our weather has been around 0 to 5C lately so I suspect the colder weather causes the problem in my case).
What they wrote on my invoice said:
"Trunk design on Eos is designed to pop trunk open no just actuating a micro switch. If trunk has weight on it or weather is cold and trunk is stiff, trunk may not pop high enough and re-latch."
Still having the same problem and I am now in St. George, UT where it is not that cold.


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## ashbinder (Nov 27, 2006)

*Re: (Eismeer Blue)*

Hey Fred,
Did you take yours to Norden? When I mentioned the same problem with the trunk, they fixed it no problem and knew exactly what I was talking about.
Mike


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## kghia (Nov 16, 2006)

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I had been having this problem too-- if I opened the trunk with the driver's door switch, the trunk would relatch before I could get to the back of the Eos. If I used the remote to open the trunk, it would relatch before I could open it unless I had my hand on the handle when I pressed the button.
Of course, I could unlock all of the doors, and then the trunk can be opened via the handle ("VW" symbol), but opening with the buttons _should work_.
*My dealership fixed it!* They wrote on the invoice *"trunk out of alignment"* & *"realigned trunk hinges"*. I tested it several times before driving away, and they definitely fixed it!! http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
Also, all of the work was WARRANTY!!







(no cost to me; invoice just summarizes the work done)
My trunk problem was _not intermittent_-- it happened that way every time-- and it was not whether related-- it happened Spring, Summer, Fall & Winter.
Since it was annoying, but not keeping me from using the trunk, I didn't bother to get it fixed until now.
They also glued the A-pillar seal "per T/B 2015260", to solve a leak that only happened in hard rain.
(note: this is the same as TB 61-07-04 Windshield Frame Seal Water Leak, they just referred to it on the invoice using the number following the date on the TB)
Again, everything was WARRANTY! http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
I took it in before Christmas, and they had to get the special glue, so they gave me back the car, and I didn't take it back in until today -- it was safe & dry in my garage, so I went returned when convenient. Plus, it only leaked in _very hard_ rain while parked.
Anyway, the service dept is treating me very well, and my salesman came by and said Hi and made sure everything was OK. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
William


_Modified by kghia at 2:54 PM 1-18-2008_


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## Small5 (Jan 19, 2007)

I kept forgetting to post up what happened.
So they installed the new springs last thursday. It initially worked the 2 or 3 times i tried it at the dealership before leaving. Seemed like a successful fix.
But over the weekend I noticed that every 4/5 times i open the trunk, I still have the problem. Right now I'm at the point where I really don't know if I want to call them back up to go through the hassle of bringing the car in, etc. again.
Thoughs? should I say, "F'it." and deal with it, or call them back up to get it done correctly?


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## liquid stereo (Feb 26, 2003)

*Maddening trunk*

My trunk is currently broken as well.
The fix lasted several months but now... nothing.

_Quote, originally posted by *Small5* »_I kept forgetting to post up what happened.
So they installed the new springs last thursday. It initially worked the 2 or 3 times i tried it at the dealership before leaving. Seemed like a successful fix.
But over the weekend I noticed that every 4/5 times i open the trunk, I still have the problem. Right now I'm at the point where I really don't know if I want to call them back up to go through the hassle of bringing the car in, etc. again.
Thoughs? should I say, "F'it." and deal with it, or call them back up to get it done correctly?


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## Small5 (Jan 19, 2007)

well after my driver side window wouldn't go down or up for about 20 mins tonight, and now i hear a rattling in the trunk latch area, i called the service rep i've been working with tonight and the car is going back in on thursday morning.
joy, i think that if it isn't fixed this time, im just gonna deal with it.


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## huckieca (Apr 13, 2007)

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_Quote, originally posted by *Small5* »_I had this intermittent problem where I would pop the trunk using the door button or the remote and it would immediately lock (hinge sound open, hinge sound closed; no time in between).<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/biggrinsanta.gif" BORDER="0"> 

*Bump* I'm also having this problem, though I haven't had time to take the vehicle in to have it checked out. I don't think that it's necessarily a cold issue. It's been far colder this week (low 40's) than it has for the past few months, and the problem is still intermittent. I would think if it was purely a matter of temperature, our friends in Frigid climates would have spoken up by now with a much higher incidence rate.
Still waiting for anyone with some definitive information on what to tell my dealer when I do take it in.


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## pepino1977 (Jan 5, 2004)

*Re: Help: Service Doesn't Believe me: Trunk Lock Problem (huckieca)*

I posted my dealer's fix for the trunk problem in another Eos forum, but here is their fix:
They originally ordered a thicker rod that the upper latch would catch onto on the bar below. When they installed this and the same problem occured they started scratching their heads. 
The eventual (hopefully permanent) fix was to remove the lower catch assembly and lower it slightly (I don't know how much) to keep the upper latch from catching under the weight of the trunk lid. This seems to work and I can easily close the trunk with a little pressure like normal.
Ask about this if you still have any trouble. If this looks like it is only a short term fix I'll be sure to report back.


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## dsballdo (Sep 16, 2006)

*Re: Help: Service Doesn't Believe me: Trunk Lock Problem (pepino1977)*

Our 2007 Eos had the unlock/immediate relock problem . The first time around the dealer adjusted the sensor plungers. When the problem persisted they adjusted the tension (position?) on the opening springs, so that when the lock was popped the latch would not be close enough to relatch. So far ( a big 3 days) no recurrence.


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## nette (Aug 23, 2006)

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Ordering "parts" for me since 12/11/07 ! !


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## Small5 (Jan 19, 2007)

car has been in the shop since thursday morning. they decided that the problem was the emergency release cord was too tight and not allowing the trunk to open enough on the initial pop.
they ordered the part, which was supposed to come in today but will hopefully come in tomorrow. 
we'll see if that's the fix.


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## kghia (Nov 16, 2006)

*Re: (Small5)*

I've been having the re-lock problem again for several days (after having been fixed for a couple of day). I am going to take it back in to the local dealership for an appt Wednesday morning. The weather has varied over the time frame, from 30's back to 60s at least, currently in the low 40's) and it has still had/has the re-locking quickly issue during these times (hate it when trying to load in groceries)
I don't know what is wrong with mine, but I would be upset if they tried to say that these temperatures were too extreme















My service dept seems ready to do more though, and it doesn't prevent use of the trunk (it is just a bit annoying)
William


_Modified by kghia at 4:59 AM 1-29-2008_


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## Small5 (Jan 19, 2007)

*Re: (kghia)*

yeah, its not like i _cant_ get into the trunk, i just want it to work the same way it did when I first took delivery of the car.


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## tstock (Sep 8, 2006)

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I have my 2007 EOS in the shop as we speak, this is approx. the 5-6 time I have had it in for the same problem with the trunk. You can actually crush your fingers if you are not careful. They could not find the problem the first time I brought it in either.
I have a lot on noise coming from the roof, third time I have had it in for this.
Also, the roof only goes down half way, 1st time for this. I asked the service guy to put the roof down while he was sitting in the drivers seat, he hesitated, than said he did not know how! (This made me very uneasy)
Two area service people are looking at the car now, one looked at it yesterday,the other is looking at it today.
I'm hoping to get it back tonight, all fixed and put back together .


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## kghia (Nov 16, 2006)

*Re: (kghia)*

the fix from my service dept only lasted a little while-- it is re-locking quickly again.
I know that the first time, they followed a procedure, and the second time had to wait from word from upper level techs at VW. I guess they will have to ask again.
We are having 50's and 60's, with nights in the 40's, so temperature should NOT be an issue.
oh well, a bit annoying, but I am willing to deal with it as long as they are willing to try to adjust it under warranty.
William


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## NEAEos (Apr 12, 2007)

*Trunk Relock*

Well, I took mine in two days ago for a few issues - noisy squeak from rear window/deck, "clunk" sound from ?junction of driver-left rear window, and the trunk issue. They said they fixed the trunk and I'm going to pick it up this afternoon. From the sounds of all the posts above, a variety of problems may cause and also may "fix" this.
Mine started the relock shananigans in November when it turned colder - it persisted all winter, never working correction UNTIL I took it to the dealer 2 days ago on the warmest day so far ~78F here. It naturally worked as advertised then but I assume they duplicated the error later. Will post an update.


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## Eismeer Blue (May 29, 2007)

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I took my car in to Norden yesterday for an oil change and I reported my trunk locking problem to them for the *second time*. Again they said it wasn't happening for them and did nothing about the problem. I think the next time I go there I am going to have to get the service Manager outside and show him the problem, as mine locks itself every time while the vehicle is outside. When it is in their warm shop, things probably "loosen" up and it doesn't happen for them.
It is a minor annoyance; I mean I can still open the trunk but I have to be right by the trunk with the key fob in order to open it. When I crossed the border the US customs guy wanted to see inside my trunk, so I couldn't just open it from the release inside the car, I had to get out and open it for him....


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## ashbinder (Nov 27, 2006)

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Hey Fred,
That's crazy - I had the same problem and it was resolved right away. If you are having issues, ask for Mike T. in the service dept and mention your problem. He's had someone fix mine before and he said it only took a few minor adjustments to the trunk.
Mike N.


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## ravenblack67 (Jan 27, 2008)

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Today, fir the first time, mine worked correctly. It appears to be temperature related.


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## flheat (Sep 29, 2006)

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My service department said there is no VW authorized fix for this problem. In my case, my service advisor says my quick closing is triggered from the motion of car and mostly from the closing of the car door (or the rocking of the car as I get out) before getting back to the trunk. (pretty funny, huh?) I just rolled my eyes.


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